Dissembling Dennis Marks (AKA dmarks) is obviously monitoring my truth-telling about him, as the dumbass recently deleted all his delusional comments from a thread on the "Contra O'Reilly" blog which I linked to in the commentary "Severe Conservative Delusions: Al Gore & The Invention of the Internet Edition".
Obviously Dennis was so embarrassed that I highlighted his nuttery that he had to remove his insane comments out of shame. That, or the paranoid nutter thinks he can claim I "lied" and he never authored the demented claims concerning Al Gore REALLY having claimed to be the inventor of the internet.
Problem is, now all the links in my commentary go to Dennis comments that say "this comment has been removed by the author". There is a Google cached page that I can link to in order to prove the Dennis quotes in my post are genuine, but Google cached pages don't last forever. Eventually the Google spiders trolling the internet replace cached pages with new versions, and the new versions will eventually show "this comment has been removed by the author".
So, in order to preserve Dennis' comments and the integrity of my truth telling, I have decided to copy and paste the entire comment thread from the "Contra O'Reilly" blog (the cached version) into this post. That way, even after the Google cached page is updated, there will still be a record of Dennis' inanity. I suppose (after the Google cached page is gone) Dennis can claim that I fabricated his comments, but this is the best I can do, as a paranoid nutter deleting his comments is something I have no control over.
In any case, what follows is a COMPLETE record of all the comments from the "Contra O'Reilly" blog, made in response to a 3/32/2014 post titled On Noam Chomsky 2 (post not reproduced because it hasn't been deleted).
Note: This reproduction of the Google cached page contains one "comment has been removed by the author" notation, but that comment was removed a long time ago by Dennis, likely due to spelling errors or another reason that caused him to want to correct what he said (Comment No: 7). The Comments Dennis deleted in response to me posting my commentary concerning his lying about Al Gore are comments: 4, 9, 11, 17, 19, 21, & 23 (total of 7 removed comments). Although 4 and 9 have nothing to do with Al Gore, so I don't know why he nixed those...
Begin Comment Thread 24 COMMENTS
01. dmarks [MARCH 24, 2012 AT 11:25 AM] Don't forget that this is the man who has lied about and supported the Khmer Rouge genocide, deeming it "acceptible"
02. Will "take no prisoners" Hart [MARCH 24, 2012 AT 1:07 PM] According to the Yale Cambodian Genocide Project, 1.7 million people were either slaughtered or starved to death by the Khmer Rouge and, yeah, you're right, if you read Mr. Chomsky's 1979(?) book, "After the Cataclysm", you certainly get the impression that it was much, much, less, and that America was the perpetrator.
03. w-dervish [MARCH 24, 2012 AT 2:48 PM] I've been an admirer for awhile... and I'll leave it at that. I could go through all your points one by one, but it would be a waste of time, as... [1] you clearly don't like the guy and nothing will convince you otherwise [2] You have some valid criticisms, but nobody's perfect... at least I know I'm not, although Will Hart may be.
As for what dmarks says should not be forgotten... I'm not even going to remember it, as I usually try to avoid memorizing false facts.
04. DELETED dmarks [MARCH 24, 2012 AT 4:34 PM] Will: Not only did he lie about the totals (the equivalent of a Holocaust denier saying only a couple hundred thousand Jews died in WW2), he also went as far as to claim that the few casualties were an OK price for all the good the Khmer Rouge was doing for Cambodia. Chomsky is a passionate left-fascist, consistently arguing for hardline, authoritarian control of the state, and an uncritical dupe when it comes to the statements of the Khmer Rouge and other socialist endeavours.
WD: You are really good at remembering false facts, as you regurgitate them readily. However, I am telling the truth about Noam Chomsky.
05. w-dervish [MARCH 24, 2012 AT 6:22 PM] dmarks: You are really good at remembering false facts, as you regurgitate them readily. However, I am telling the truth about Noam Chomsky.
False facts are your speciality dmarks. You'll never see me regurgitating any of the untruths you're constantly spouting about people like Bill Maher, Rahm Emanuel, Al Gore, Noam Chomsky, etc.
06. dmarks [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 4:50 AM] Name one fact I got wrong about any of them. You can't
07. dmarks [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 5:49 AM] This comment has been removed by the author.
08. w-dervish [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 8:10 AM] dmarks: Name one fact I got wrong about any of them. You can't.
Name one fact you got RIGHT about any of them. You can't.
09. DELETED dmarks [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 9:29 AM] Amazing. WD can't even name one. He copped out.
10. w-dervish [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 9:38 AM] dmarks: Amazing. WD can't even name one. He copped out.
You couldn't name one you got right. YOU copped out.
What you got wrong was...
Bill Maher: didn't say mentally challenged people are sub-human.
Rahm Emanuel: Intended to insult Liberals by calling them f**king retarded. He didn't intend to insult mentally challenged persons.
Al Gore: didn't say he invented the internet.
Noam Chomsky: didn't support the khmer rouge genocide or deem it acceptible.
11. DELETED dmarks [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 10:04 AM] "Bill Maher: didn't say mentally challenged people are sub-human."
He said they weren't people. Well, that might leave the choice of super-human vs sub-human. But he did say they were like pets. That implius sub-human. Animals. So yes he did say this.
"Rahm Emanuel: Intended to insult Liberals by calling them f**king retarded. He didn't intend to insult mentally challenged persons."
But he did in fact insult them. He equated "liberals" to this group, which he mentioned in the sentence and used a very disparaging term for.
"Al Gore: didn't say he invented the internet."
Actually, he did. That is a correct paraphrase. The word he used is "create". "Create" and "invent" are synonyms.
"Noam Chomsky: didn't support the khmer rouge genocide or deem it acceptible"
He did. He used false numbers for the deaths in order to downplay it, as part of his support, and he said that it was an OK price for the good the Khmer Rouge were doing.
You didn't even try.
12. w-dervish [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 1:42 PM] dmarks: He said [mentally challenged children] weren't people.
No he didn't. Bill Maher said, "dogs are like retarded children". (This is an exact quote from the YouTube video). Saying they were LIKE dogs isn't the same as saying they should be treated like dogs or that they aren't human. Nor did he ever suggest euthanization (another outrageous claim you've made in the past). Criticize him for what he actually said (which I agree is insulting). There is no need to make stuff up (which is what you've done and continue to do).
dmarks: But he did in fact insult them. He equated "liberals" to this group...
His insult was directed at Liberals. Also, he apologized to mentally challenged people (and the head of the Special Olympics accepted his apology), but he never apologized to Liberals.
You completely ignore the reality of what he meant (he intended to call Liberals dumb) and focus on his use of the R-word. I assume because you agree with his feelings regarding Liberals? Otherwise why not criticize him for his insult to BOTH groups?
dmarks: Actually, [Al Gore] did [say he invented the internet].
No he didn't. Snopes debunked it. They say FALSE. According to Snopes, "Al Gore did not claim he 'invented' the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way".
dmarks: The word he used is "create". "Create" and "invent" are synonyms.
Snopes disagrees. They say "Gore never used the word 'invent', and the words 'create' and 'invent' have distinctly different meanings; the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea".
Al Gore sponsored legislation that helped create the environment that lead to the internet as we know it today. That is what he was talking about.
dmarks: [Noam Chomsky] used false numbers for the deaths in order to downplay it, as part of his support, and he said that it was an OK price for the good the Khmer Rouge were doing.
No, he didn't. The source of his numbers was a survey by Michael Vickery. The numbers were not "false", although they have been disputed. But that's not the same as saying they were fabricated. Nobody has said Michael Vickery outright fabricated his numbers.
Also, Noam Chomsky's co-author, Edward Herman, (while referring to the Khmer Rouge as "villains"), said he and Chomsky "went to great pains to stress that there was no doubt that the Khmer Rouge was committing serious crimes..."
So, Noam Chomsky's book says the Khmer Rouge committed serious crimes, and you interpret that as support? I interpret your interpretation as lying.
13. Will "take no prisoners" Hart [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 2:10 PM] wd, according to the Yale Cambodian Genocide Project, 1.7 million people were either slaughtered or starved to death by the Khmer Rouge. I think that I'll take the word of them over a person who has consistently stated that Democratic Capitalism is far more despicable than Communism.
14. Will "take no prisoners" Hart [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 2:15 PM] And I'm sorry, wd, "Dogs are like retarded children" - there just aren't a lot of ways to justify that bad boy. Maher is an idiot and he should be shamed and shamed harshly.
15. Will "take no prisoners" Hart [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 2:30 PM] BB Idaho, consider me open to the suggestions in that article, especially the one on catastrophic care/coverage.
16. w-dervish [MARCH 26, 2012 AT 4:04 PM] Will: according to the Yale Cambodian Genocide Project, 1.7 million people were either slaughtered or starved to death by the Khmer Rouge.
I didn't say I agreed with either Michael Vickery or Noam Chomsky (for going with the former's numbers). What I was pushing back against was dmarks' implying that either outright fabricated their numbers or that Chomsky "supported the Khmer Rouge genocide".
Will: Democratic Capitalism is far more despicable than Communism.
Noam Chomsky said this? Do you have a link to an article? I'd be interested in reading it.
Will: ...there just aren't a lot of ways to justify that bad boy.
OK, but I never tried to do that. I only pointed out that it didn't mean Maher thought they're sub-human or that they should be euthanized. In any case, that statement is quite old. Show me a recent statement (or any other) where he says something insensitive about mentally challenged persons. I doubt there is a pattern. If there is I might go along with you on this "shaming".
17. DELETED dmarks [MARCH 28, 2012 AT 4:47 AM] "only pointed out that it didn't mean Maher thought they're sub-human"
He simply said it, by saying there were like pets, and weren't even people.
Whether or not they were to be euthenized, ground up for dog food, or other such things as happens to animals only follows from such thinking. Check the history of African American slaves, who weren't considered to be people and were talked of in condescending way also.
"Al Gore sponsored legislation that helped create the environment that lead to the internet as we know it today. That is what he was talking about."We went over this before. Gore said he "created" the Internet. He lied, because it already existed before he even got to Congress. As for the rest, Snopes got this wrong. Check the thesaurus.
Snopes statement was careless ("Al Gore did not claim he 'invented' the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way"). In the CNN transcript, Gore clearly said he created the Internet. While the first half of what Snopes says in that statement is correct (because Gore did not use the actual word "invent"), the second part of Snopes statement is incorrect. This is because Gore used the word "create"... a synonym. And synonyms of course fall into "reasonable interpretation". Your mention of the legislation Gore sponsored that changed the Internet long after its creation or invention is irrelevant, becuase it is not what Gore said.
As for Maher, you are ignoring the rest of his rant when he said that the mentally disabled weren't people because they had retarded brains.
18. w-dervish [MARCH 28, 2012 AT 7:41 AM] dmarks, why the hell would Al Gore say he invented the internet? Anyone watching would know he was wrong, or at least strongly suspect it (and be able to look it up and confirm he didn't invent it). Al Gore isn't stupid, yet you insist he was dumb enough to think people would believe he invented the internet? I say you're dumb. He was CLEARLY referring to the legislation he sponsored.
dmarks: [Bill Maher] simply said it, by saying there were like pets, and weren't even people.
No he didn't. He meant mentally, not literally. This is something any rational person hearing that comment would know immediately. They may very well still be offended, but they'd never reach the conclusions you've reached, which are completely wacky, IMO... and include a bunch of over-the-top conclusions that do not "follow".
Also, Bill Maher is a strong supporter of PETA, a group that believes animals have rights... and according to Bill Maher, comparring a person to an animal is a COMPLIMENT.
19. DELETED dmarks [MARCH 28, 2012 AT 8:46 AM] "dmarks, why the hell would Al Gore say he invented the internet?"
Don't know. Maybe because politicians say stupid things? But the fact remains he did say it.
"Anyone watching would know he was wrong"
I've watched that clip many times, and yes he was wrong.
"He was CLEARLY referring to the legislation he sponsored."
Now that is a flat out lie. You are defending Gore on what you think he said, not what he actually said. He CLEARLY took credit for bringing the Internet into being. Which in fact he never did: it existed before the point in time in which he claimed to have invented it (exact word "Created").
"No he didn't. He meant mentally, not literally."
I take Maher for what he said. Not what I wish he said.
"which are completely wacky"
That radical said that the mentally disabled weren't people. If anything is wacky, it is your denying he said it.
"IMO... and include a bunch of over-the-top conclusions that do not "follow"."
There's nothing over the top in "following" with a description of the rights people would lose if it was indeed decided that they weren't people anymore.
"Also, Bill Maher is a strong supporter of PETA, a group that believes animals have rights... and according to Bill Maher, comparring a person to an animal is a COMPLIMENT."
Yet, he chose to dehumanize only the mentally challenged.
20. w-dervish [MARCH 28, 2012 AT 10:08 AM] dmarks: Now that is a flat out lie [that Al Gore was referring to the legislation he sponsored when he said he took the initiative in creating the internet"].
No, it's the truth. Snopes agrees.
dmarks: I take Maher for what he said. Not what I wish he said.
No you aren't. You're taking him for what you think he meant.
21. DELETED dmarks [MARCH 28, 2012 AT 10:57 AM] "No, it's the truth. Snopes agrees."
I am looking at the actual statements, not the conclusions. Why not judge Gore on what he actually said, instead of what some wish he said?
"You're taking him for what you think he meant."
No. His equating people with pets/dogs and then later saying they aren't even people is bad enough.
22. w-dervish [MARCH 28, 2012 AT 1:26 PM] dmarks: I am looking at the actual statements, not the conclusions.
There's your problem. You're skipping the most important part. For ideological reasons, I'd guess. You don't like Al Gore's politics... so you ignore the whole story, focusing on his words and ignoring what he really meant. Snopes is right and dmarks is wrong.
dmarks: [Bill Maher] later saying they aren't even people is bad enough.
But he didn't say that. I just watched the video again to be sure. You're lying or delusional.
23. DELETED dmarks [MARCH 28, 2012 AT 4:30 PM] I am skipping nothing. I am looking at Gore's actual statement. And his intention, which can only be discerned by his actual words.
Nothing ideological. If Bush had taken credit for the internet, I'd criticize him for the false statement also (neither Gore nor Bush created the Internet: it existed before they were on the scene).
But I suppose ideology would play a role here. If Bush had lied as Gore had, you'd be savaging him for it.
As for Maher, watch the video again. Perhaps you are watching an edited/shorter video that cuts off before he says they aren't people due to their retarded brains.
24. w-dervish [MARCH 29, 2012 AT 6:02 PM] dmarks: If Bush had taken credit for the internet...
bush didn't sponsor legislation that helped create the internet as it exists today, Gore did. We should all thank Gore for helping set up the environment that lead to the internet as we now know it.
Gore only took credit for what he did (sponsor legislation that directly lead to the internet as we know it today). If bush had made a similar claim he would have been lying, so yes, I would be savaging him for it.
Because, coming from Gore the statement is truthful, while if bush had said the same thing it would have been a lie.
I watched the entire Maher video clip (they went to commercial at the end). He never said mentally challenged persons "aren't people due to their retarded brains". You're lying or imagining it.
End Comment Thread
Deleted comments 17 and 19 are the two I linked to - and included excerpts from - in the post "Severe Conservative Delusions: Al Gore & The Invention of the Internet Edition". Comments 4 and 9, as I already pointed out, have nothing to do with Dennis' lies about Al Gore - so I don't know why he got ride of them. Comments 11, 21 and 23 mention Al Gore, although I did not link to them in my post. Dennis probably deleted them to remove all evidence of his nutty lies concerning the ex-VP.
TADM #16. See also TADM #15 and SWTD #236.